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Robots, Androids, and Cybernetics

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Re: Robots, Androids, and Cybernetics

Postby Matt_E » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:58 pm

[shrug] Chest is the new head. "Called shot to the chest--again?!" :-)
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Re: Robots, Androids, and Cybernetics

Postby ThornPlutonius » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:17 pm

With the potential for more/better armor around the CPU when it is in the torso and not in an extremity. Could potentially lose all extremities and still survive. Jettison all extremities as part of an emergency survival mode.
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Re: Robots, Androids, and Cybernetics

Postby Pentallion » Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:13 pm

Add in Nanotechnology to repair damage and disperse the "brain" doesn't even have to exist. The entire neural network could be dispersed and backed up. The entire system is the brain and no one part is irreplaceable.
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Re: Robots, Androids, and Cybernetics

Postby Clarence Redd » Tue Nov 08, 2016 1:20 pm

Pentallion wrote:Add in Nanotechnology to repair damage and disperse the "brain" doesn't even have to exist. The entire neural network could be dispersed and backed up. The entire system is the brain and no one part is irreplaceable.


This is how some biologists are viewing trees nowadays. According to those theories, trees have tiny brains and sensors at the tip of every root, functioning like a "brain network". Funnily enough, it matches another concept in evolution: sensors are placed frontmost of lifeforms, with the brain nearby for efficient intra-body communication. While trees don't move (at least not here on Earth), their root tips do.

Putting the brain in the torso would certainly be good for survival, and losing extremities is a great idea. The problem as I see it, is you still have all sensors in the head. A blow to the head might not kill the droid/lifeform, but losing sensors will make them almost totally dysfunctional. So, the safest option would be to disperse both the brain and sensors. Not sure though how to model that rules-wise in alien creation and droid construction.
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Re: Robots, Androids, and Cybernetics

Postby ThornPlutonius » Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:18 am

So, you assume all of the sensors are in the head?
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Re: Robots, Androids, and Cybernetics

Postby Clarence Redd » Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:57 am

Haha, yes I did. Or rather, that's the way many fictional droids are described: brain in torso, eyes and ears on head. Come to think of it, why not outsource sensors to small expendable drones? A networked being of sorts, with each part performing one specific task. Might be possible for droids, though I wonder if wireless data transmission can occur biologically?
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Re: Robots, Androids, and Cybernetics

Postby Matt_E » Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:43 am

Yes. The mechanism is usually pheromones, or chirping. ;-)

Bionically, it is extremely easy to envision actual wireless comm with biointegrated chipsets. This technology is only years, or months, away from implementation, I would say. Bluetooth your [body part]!
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Re: Robots, Androids, and Cybernetics

Postby ThornPlutonius » Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:36 pm

One could go very deeply down a rabbit hole of detail for this. Wireless interaction between disparate body parts that can be physically attached or detached, perhaps re-arranging at need. ECM disrupting said communication requiring defensive measures, "emergency" hard wire options, etc. I'm not a big fan of Star Wars droids, but they do illustrate that once we let go of the humanoid paradigm, anything goes.
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Re: Robots, Androids, and Cybernetics

Postby Pentallion » Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:04 pm

And at nano scale, you could have what basically amounts to Hive Mind robotic intelligences. Pheromes and such replaced by fully autonomous AI's at the micro level floating around as sensors for the Hive Queen unit. fully autonomous, with the entire "memory" of the Queen unit in its central core. So if communications with the Queen robot gets disrupted, it can function independently.
In essence, every cell of the creature is it's brain/sensor suite and every cell has it's own brain/sensor suite. Well outside the realm of the human norm.

and what's scary is, if we ever create the AI, the rest of the tech is almost here already.
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Re: Robots, Androids, and Cybernetics

Postby Matt_E » Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:01 pm

Pentallion wrote:And at nano scale, you could have what basically amounts to Hive Mind robotic intelligences. Pheromes and such replaced by fully autonomous AI's at the micro level floating around as sensors for the Hive Queen unit. fully autonomous, with the entire "memory" of the Queen unit in its central core. So if communications with the Queen robot gets disrupted, it can function independently.
In essence, every cell of the creature is it's brain/sensor suite and every cell has it's own brain/sensor suite. Well outside the realm of the human norm.

and what's scary is, if we ever create the AI, the rest of the tech is almost here already.


Well, I think the biologists might have something to say about the disappearance of hierarchical organization and a nanotech-fueled rise of unicellular conglomerates (T10: Rise of the Jellyfish?), but I can't rule it out. :-)

There is the problem of powering all this wireless transmission; nanoscale objects generally can muster only nanoscale energy reserves...and, individually, very few bits for storage and processing...but we should not be too negative, for a fantasy game. We do have handwavium, the most useful material in any universe.
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