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Mythic Rome Supplimental?

Re: Mythic Rome Supplimental?

Postby Jefferiot » Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:02 am

soltakss wrote:Most people in the Roman Empire at its height had never been to Rome, yet many identified as Roman.

Matt_E wrote:Yeah, I think we modern folks don't necessarily get the whole city-state mindset, never mind city-state-as-empire.

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Re: Mythic Rome Supplimental?

Postby Simulacrum » Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:03 pm

soltakss wrote:Most people in the Roman Empire at its height had never been to Rome, yet many identified as Roman


From 212 AD they technically were Roman - the universal grant of citizenship to all free men of the Empire happened then. The Empire as it was had changed a lot. The distinction between citizen and non-citizen had been overtaken by the distinction between the rich (honestories) and the poor (humiliores). This was increasingly recognised in law and passed on into medieval law codes forming the basis of different legal status between commoners and nobility. Meanwhile the importance of Rome as the capital was also now diminishing - so much so that little more than 100 years later Constantine could move it to Byzantium/Constantinople.
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Re: Mythic Rome Supplimental?

Postby nDervish » Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:08 am

Matt_E wrote:Yeah, I think we modern folks don't necessarily get the whole city-state mindset, never mind city-state-as-empire.


I've been doing some setting construction lately which has brought this heavily to mind. Can you recommend any good sources for information about the city-state mindset?
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Re: Mythic Rome Supplimental?

Postby Simulacrum » Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:38 am

nDervish wrote:
I've been doing some setting construction lately which has brought this heavily to mind. Can you recommend any good sources for information about the city-state mindset?


It's a major theme in Shores of Korantia - where there's a lot of material on city states, city cults etc. And it's all at least inspired by real world city state structures from classical antiquity. Then of course there's Pete's Mythic Rome.
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Re: Mythic Rome Supplimental?

Postby Matt_E » Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:04 am

nDervish wrote:
Matt_E wrote:Yeah, I think we modern folks don't necessarily get the whole city-state mindset, never mind city-state-as-empire.


I've been doing some setting construction lately which has brought this heavily to mind. Can you recommend any good sources for information about the city-state mindset?


Hmm...back to the source? Cicero? Surviving pieces by everyday citizens? Maybe medieval writings from Italy, instead? Simulacrum's suggestions sound more attainable. ;-)
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Re: Mythic Rome Supplimental?

Postby golem64 » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:55 pm

Take a look at Plutarch's Lives for Roman biographies from the Second Century AD.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_Lives
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Re: Mythic Rome Supplimental?

Postby Simulacrum » Sun Mar 12, 2017 4:12 am

nDervish wrote:I've been doing some setting construction lately which has brought this heavily to mind. Can you recommend any good sources for information about the city-state mindset?


I've done a little chart to give some rough guidelines on how city states at different stages of development or complexity might work.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-xSM3ytkr6KUE4xTkUxUVlSMTQ/view?usp=sharing

I've artificially split into three types or stages:

Archaic - smaller and simpler city states roughly what you might get from when a city is first founded, loosely relating to cities in Greece or Italy prior to 500 BC
Classical - a more developed and formally organised city state system. Loosely relating to Greece and Italy 500-200 BC
Imperial - for those city states that get really big and successful and conquer or dominate others. Late Republican/Early Imperial Rome, Carthage are examples of the model

These are rough guides, and no one historical (or fantasy!) city will conform to all the criteria. Some people may debate some of the generalisations, but they'll put you in the right mindset. None of this is readily transferable or relevant to cities or city states at other times - it doesn't cover the Bronze Age, for example Mycenaean kingdoms or early city states in Mesopotamia, nor pre-Columboan Mesoamerican.
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Re: Mythic Rome Supplimental?

Postby golem64 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:25 pm

Simulacrum wrote:
nDervish wrote:I've been doing some setting construction lately which has brought this heavily to mind. Can you recommend any good sources for information about the city-state mindset?


I've done a little chart to give some rough guidelines on how city states at different stages of development or complexity might work.

Thanks, Simulacrum. That is very useful. You could mix and match your ideas to give each city state or region its own flavour.
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Re: Mythic Rome Supplimental?

Postby nDervish » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:51 am

Simulacrum wrote:
nDervish wrote:I've been doing some setting construction lately which has brought this heavily to mind. Can you recommend any good sources for information about the city-state mindset?

I've done a little chart to give some rough guidelines on how city states at different stages of development or complexity might work.


Thanks! That's a good reference for how things work at the various stages of development and very useful to me, but when I asked about "the city-state mindset", I actually meant more on the lines of how the people thought about what they did and why they did them that way, rather than just what they did.

Simulacrum wrote:It's a major theme in Shores of Korantia - where there's a lot of material on city states, city cults etc. And it's all at least inspired by real world city state structures from classical antiquity.


Thanks for the suggestion. I've picked up the PDF and will be looking at it soonish. Should be good to see how the city-states relate to one another in a setting where there are several of them, as opposed to the setting being dominated by a single Rome.

Simulacrum wrote:Then of course there's Pete's Mythic Rome.


It's been a couple months since I went through Mythic Rome, but I remember it also, for the most part, focusing on the what rather than the why.
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Re: Mythic Rome Supplimental?

Postby Simulacrum » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:44 am

nDervish wrote:I actually meant more on the lines of how the people thought about what they did and why they did them that way, rather than just what they did.


OK - what do you mean by that, exactly?
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